is ele/me just mesmer without fast casting? - Guild Wars Forums

sabutai · Apr 16, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

i really like mesmers, but if i can get the ele mana pool instead of fast casting i would prefer that i think

is it just choosing between the main skill when splitting classes? or if my main profession is ele will i lose something in mesmer ability besides fast casting

or would i be better off making mesmer main and subbing in necromancy or something

empathy so far is the best skill i'v used, but my mesmer always ran out of mana in long fights..so why i want the ele's mana pool

dargon · Apr 16, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

You will also loose the ability to go above 12 in any of your mesmer attributes as you can't use mesmer runes or headgear as an ele.

savage vapor 33 · Apr 16, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

In a very simplistic way of looking at it, yes. Mesmers draw a lot of power from the cast cast though, to be able to interrupt at incredible speed, and also being able to spam hexes on numerous targets. What would take 3 seconds for an ele to spam, a mesmer could spam something 2 times that.

Faer · Apr 16, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Once you get some more Mesmer skills unlocked (namely skills from the Inspiration Magic line), you won't have as many energy problems as a Mesmer primary. If you like the Mesmer profession, stick with it until you get the skills required to keep your energy pool at reasonable levels. If you go Elementalist/Mesmer just for Energy Storage, you'll miss out on a lot of power later on that can only be fully realized with a Mesmer primary (Fast Casting really helps with many of the most effective Mesmer skills).

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 16, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Faer

Once you get some more Mesmer skills unlocked (namely skills from the Inspiration Magic line), you won't have as many energy problems as a Mesmer primary. If you like the Mesmer profession, stick with it until you get the skills required to keep your energy pool at reasonable levels. If you go Elementalist/Mesmer just for Energy Storage, you'll miss out on a lot of power later on that can only be fully realized with a Mesmer primary (Fast Casting really helps with many of the most effective Mesmer skills).

QFT - There are many Mesmer skills out there that will give you a quick and ample energy boost. Power Drain comes readily to mind, as that will net you 20 - 25 energy in a second. With good energy management and fast casting, you'll be able to do a lot of damage before running dry.

Toutatis · Apr 16, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

If you don't take Mesmer as your primary, you will not be able to push any Mesmer attributes above 12 as you will not be able to use any Mesmer runes.

Furthermore, you'll lose access to Fast Casting. Most of the Mesmer's really powerful spells have longer casting times, and these still need to be placed with split-second timing on many occasions (and without Fast Casting, you lose that edge).

However, as Faer has pointed out you won't be running out of energy so often for long. There are a huge number of options in the Inspiration Magic line that you can add to your builds as you learn them, and when used under the right circumstances these can let you regenerate your energy almost at will (so you will almost never run out of energy)

Thomas.knbk · Apr 16, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Energy Storage isn't actually energy management. Maximum energy doesn't really do anything, exept that it's a buffer for exhaustion. It's energy over time that you need, which is power drain, Aususpicious Incantation (spelling?), that sorta things.
Me/X is definitely better than E/Me for mesmer skills. Not only because fast casting is pretty good, also because energy storage is useless for mesmers.

sabutai · Apr 16, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

ok guys thanks, i havnt played my mesmer past lvl 8, and i only have nightfall, so i havent got the knowledge you folks have...i like my warrior and my mesmer...but i just loved the finesse of the mesmer, using backfire and empathy and such

when i read here, everyone says they stink etc, but i dont know anything about being a jaded GW player yet...i just hope if i do play a mesmer i'll be able to get the fancy type armor i always see the countless warriors in (not plate, just nice stuff)

my gf plays a ele, hope we can do high end pve with just me her and heroes

HawkofStorms · Apr 17, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

People who say that they "stink" are the average player who thinks doing damage is the only think a character should do. Most players with a brain love mesmers. Don't get discouraged with what is said on these boards. In fact, most people here who complain about mesmers actually like playing them, they are just complaining about the fact that they are not popular.

Faer · Apr 17, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by sabutai

i just hope if i do play a mesmer i'll be able to get the fancy type armor i always see the countless warriors in (not plate, just nice stuff)

my gf plays a ele, hope we can do high end pve with just me her and heroes

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mesmer_armor for all your Mesmery Armor needs!

You and your girlfriend will be able to do plenty together without relying on other players. There's not a single part of the PvE portion of the game that can't be done with AI at your side instead of humans (though some of the high-end content is noticeably easier with a competent human group, and excluding areas where the AI are not available as party members).

Take it slow, learn at your own pace, enjoy the game, and don't believe everything you read on these forums. There are quite a few misinformed players here (heck, to an extent, every last one of us falls into that category).

sabutai · Apr 17, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29

thanks dudes

Apr 16, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#1
sabutai Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: W/	is ele/me just mesmer without fast casting? i really like mesmers, but if i can get the ele mana pool instead of fast casting i would prefer that i think is it just choosing between the main skill when splitting classes? or if my main profession is ele will i lose something in mesmer ability besides fast casting or would i be better off making mesmer main and subbing in necromancy or something empathy so far is the best skill i'v used, but my mesmer always ran out of mana in long fights..so why i want the ele's mana pool

Apr 16, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51	#4
Faer La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo Join Date: Feb 2006	Once you get some more Mesmer skills unlocked (namely skills from the Inspiration Magic line), you won't have as many energy problems as a Mesmer primary. If you like the Mesmer profession, stick with it until you get the skills required to keep your energy pool at reasonable levels. If you go Elementalist/Mesmer just for Energy Storage, you'll miss out on a lot of power later on that can only be fully realized with a Mesmer primary (Fast Casting really helps with many of the most effective Mesmer skills). __________________ Stay Breezy

Apr 16, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#2
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	You will also loose the ability to go above 12 in any of your mesmer attributes as you can't use mesmer runes or headgear as an ele.

Apr 16, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49	#3
savage vapor 33 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Regems Basement Guild: The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]	In a very simplistic way of looking at it, yes. Mesmers draw a lot of power from the cast cast though, to be able to interrupt at incredible speed, and also being able to spam hexes on numerous targets. What would take 3 seconds for an ele to spam, a mesmer could spam something 2 times that.

Apr 16, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#6
Toutatis Walking Wiki Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Isle of Medication Guild: Visitors from Aranna [VFA] Profession: Me/E	If you don't take Mesmer as your primary, you will not be able to push any Mesmer attributes above 12 as you will not be able to use any Mesmer runes. Furthermore, you'll lose access to Fast Casting. Most of the Mesmer's really powerful spells have longer casting times, and these still need to be placed with split-second timing on many occasions (and without Fast Casting, you lose that edge). However, as Faer has pointed out you won't be running out of energy so often for long. There are a huge number of options in the Inspiration Magic line that you can add to your builds as you learn them, and when used under the right circumstances these can let you regenerate your energy almost at will (so you will almost never run out of energy)

Apr 16, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02	#7
Thomas.knbk Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006	Energy Storage isn't actually energy management. Maximum energy doesn't really do anything, exept that it's a buffer for exhaustion. It's energy over time that you need, which is power drain, Aususpicious Incantation (spelling?), that sorta things. Me/X is definitely better than E/Me for mesmer skills. Not only because fast casting is pretty good, also because energy storage is useless for mesmers.

Apr 16, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#8
sabutai Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: W/	ok guys thanks, i havnt played my mesmer past lvl 8, and i only have nightfall, so i havent got the knowledge you folks have...i like my warrior and my mesmer...but i just loved the finesse of the mesmer, using backfire and empathy and such when i read here, everyone says they stink etc, but i dont know anything about being a jaded GW player yet...i just hope if i do play a mesmer i'll be able to get the fancy type armor i always see the countless warriors in (not plate, just nice stuff) my gf plays a ele, hope we can do high end pve with just me her and heroes

Apr 17, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#9
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	People who say that they "stink" are the average player who thinks doing damage is the only think a character should do. Most players with a brain love mesmers. Don't get discouraged with what is said on these boards. In fact, most people here who complain about mesmers actually like playing them, they are just complaining about the fact that they are not popular.

Apr 17, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29	#11
sabutai Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: W/	thanks dudes